tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post6322481112599145316..comments2024-03-20T19:23:09.857+02:00Comments on Notes from underground: Orthodox mission in the 21st centurySteve Hayeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-81969756547046770822007-05-18T18:55:00.000+02:002007-05-18T18:55:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-67715128105386113072007-04-30T04:13:00.000+02:002007-04-30T04:13:00.000+02:00Thanks for your post a most interesting discussion...Thanks for your post a most interesting discussion.philjohnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06351025982828679289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-86604265591769481972007-04-28T14:45:00.000+02:002007-04-28T14:45:00.000+02:00Skylding, I know what you mean. Before i was Ortho...Skylding, <BR/><BR/>I know what you mean. Before i was Orthodox I was Anglican, and one of the things I sometimes did as an Anglican was to put ikons in Anglican churches, but it never seemed to work. It was like tearing the seamless robe and all you have is a dishrag, not a garment. I saw the ikons in an Orthodox setting, and they made a lot of sense. But putting them in an Anglican setting didn't seem to work. Anglicans saw them just as decorations, bells and whistles. They didn't know what to do with them. There was no tradition of kissing ikons, no understanding of them as part of the church. <BR/><BR/>And that's the kind of thing Tinker was talking about in the bit I quoted.Steve Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-32333226082356969392007-04-27T17:03:00.000+02:002007-04-27T17:03:00.000+02:00Interesting post, Stephen. I think it is important...Interesting post, Stephen. I think it is important to note that the people flying from materialism most often take their materialism with them - i.e. those wanting new experiences often devolve that into a buying list (candles etc etc). It's like the medieval enthusiasts who, instead of starting to act nobly, gets himself chainmail armour. <BR/><BR/>Whipping up enthusiasm, whether by neo-monasticism or by changing the eucharist to make it more mystic (referring to certain protestants) is missing the point. You do stuff necause its right to do, not because of the "awesomeness" or the "feel-good" factor. <BR/><BR/>The fight is thus not against tradition, but against cheap imitations thereof. Much of modern, protestant spirituality is shallow and plastic - much like the neopaganism you mentioned here (and I say that as a protestant).Magotty Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06039164409659890130noreply@blogger.com