tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post3954173602825471560..comments2024-03-20T19:23:09.857+02:00Comments on Notes from underground: Christianity: inclusive or exclusive? (Synchroblog)Steve Hayeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-12659856981337903632008-01-28T22:35:00.000+02:002008-01-28T22:35:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-51822110730824107642007-10-02T14:05:00.000+02:002007-10-02T14:05:00.000+02:00HiI know this is now an old post but I am still ge...Hi<BR/><BR/>I know this is now an old post but I am still getting people following your link to my blog, so firstly, a big Thank You! I only regret that owing to the pressures of life I am no longer able to dedicate time to keep on posting.<BR/><BR/>I would like to say that your post here is excellent, and concur entirely with Jenelle.<BR/><BR/>I have to say that I cannot fathom the inclusivist position in the light of verses such as Acts 4:12 "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved", John14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". <BR/><BR/>I would draw the inclusivists' attention to the reality of seriuosly bad news for unbelievers in Rev 20:11-15 "11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. ....12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. ...... The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire" <BR/><BR/>Elsewhere it says "woe to those who say 'peace, peace' when there is no peace"...I think that is a comment on Inclusivists, who suggest peace between God and unbelievers when it is not there. A consequence of their misleading soft words is that the unbelievers will never be encouraged to seek the truth that will enable them to have their names written in that book of life and escape the lake of fire. Let them leave the builder's merchant and come to the bakery!SaintSimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067501906240885393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-35060448355631148922007-08-15T11:23:00.000+02:002007-08-15T11:23:00.000+02:00Thanks Steve.I have hope that your approach is goi...Thanks Steve.<BR/><BR/>I have hope that your approach is going to put us in a position to deal with the issue of Inclusivity/Exclusivity, by trying to frame the correct questions, rather than jumping in with answers no-one is looking for.<BR/><BR/>I also appreciate your micro-history of the concept, showing that the word/s themselves are taken so completely differently by different people in different contexts ... WHAT is it we are including/excluding? Gays, other denominations, racial groups?<BR/><BR/>Interfaith dialog is altogether different from a Christian-hosted discussion about comparative religion. I would rather talk to a Baptist, an Ancestor worshipper, a theosophist, a Charismatic or a Satanist than talk ABOUT them.<BR/><BR/>In my view, Inclusion as a discussion "includes" all these more specific topics. However, ultimately I am concerned with the cosmic view. Once this can be settled, if indeed it can, it makes deciding on your approach towards the more specific categories so much easier, and leads to an altogether more integruous world view. This will then serve as a true and sure foundation for all life going forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-27073129001743264062007-08-15T09:11:00.000+02:002007-08-15T09:11:00.000+02:00I, too, struggle with a "Theology of Religion" tha...I, too, struggle with a "Theology of Religion" that seems to concentrate almost exclusively on Christianity (sometimes there's a nod in the direction of Judaism). I've not read the Knitter, but share your frustrations with how these discussions tend to go.MikeCamelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071687698206472591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-7716985279091491252007-08-15T05:51:00.000+02:002007-08-15T05:51:00.000+02:00NicI've added a link in the main list to the post ...Nic<BR/><BR/>I've added a link in the main list to the post I think you meant, and passed it on to the other synchro bloggers, so that they can foillow it. <BR/><BR/>I'm also expanding my contribution on the theme with a couple of other posts.Steve Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-74579835301671388112007-08-14T16:49:00.000+02:002007-08-14T16:49:00.000+02:00This question has been foremost in my mind for qui...This question has been foremost in my mind for quite some time. Pressing enough for me to get down to some serious rethinking about what the Bible says.<BR/><BR/>I don't have it all worked out(thankfully) but many questions I have let lie in a sort of limbo for 20 or 25 years have found interesting answers during this exploration.<BR/><BR/>As I see it right now, the Gospel IS the Gospel of Inclusion. Any Exclusion is as a a result of fear, religious adherence, and is self imposed. <BR/><BR/>I have detailed my thoughts in these blog entries, if anyone cares to read them.<BR/>http://soundandsilence.wordpress.com/tag/doctrine-of-inclusion/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-64379137279821170992007-08-14T12:53:00.000+02:002007-08-14T12:53:00.000+02:00Steve, my eyebrow went up and I was nodding affirm...Steve, my eyebrow went up and I was nodding affirmatively as I read your first conclusion:<BR/><BR/><I>First of all, it is the wrong question because Christians believe that there is no salvation in any religion, including Christianity. Salvation is in Christ, not in religion.</I><BR/><BR/>Your metaphor of the bread in question is quite good. Excellent, in fact.Jenellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06392720397525484494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19384577.post-34066376593210138572007-08-14T01:05:00.000+02:002007-08-14T01:05:00.000+02:00thank you Steve, much food for thought as always.thank you Steve, much food for thought as always.Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759963926280667938noreply@blogger.com